Tiers for Years: Samoa and Tonga set to stay in Tier 2 until 2030, ending 'bulls--t' Origin eligibility debate
Pacific Island nations are set to stay in Tier 2, keeping Origin eligibility rules as they are past 2030.
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Mike Meehall Wood is a rugby league writer, Celtic supporter and cricket tragic. He has written extensively about rugby league for publications in the UK and Australia, and about sports more widely for Forbes, VICE, LADbible and more.
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Pacific Island nations are set to stay in Tier 2, keeping Origin eligibility rules as they are past 2030.
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General view would be:
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They used to have an Emerging Nations WC that did this. Several nations that are now in the WC, notably Ireland and the Cooks Islands, who played the final in 95 (I was there!) got their start there.
If the cash was there, I’d love the concept to return around the main WC, with domestic-only squads.
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Reet proper grand!
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This idea would never, ever work in RL.
Firstly, you can only ask players to play once a week (rather than 3 times per week as in cricket) so you’d add a month of competition on before you ever start the WC.
Secondly, by the time any smaller nation had qualified, they’d be down several players through injury and would get beaten by even more.
The way you create that competition with teams of the same level is by playing more frequently within WC cycles, with a Euro Cup/Pacific Cup system and competitive series when Aus/NZ/Eng are playing each other.
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RLWC is only set up to run specific tournaments. There’s already a different organisation in place for the next one, because it’s in France (not the US) and therefore needs its own staff based there.
Obviously IRL and RLWC do work together, but one oversees the other.
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